Curse

Bof · Apr 04, 2009, 07:08 PM // 19:08

First off: You dont have to do crap to get an armbrace just buy the brace. yes others have to get the brace by doing an accomplishment, but that is true for every item someone has to farm it. Unless you are extremely lucky you are not going to get a VS, Crystaline Sword, or any other high end item out of the chest when you open it.

Second: People have to pay a ton more than 1750 z keys to buy any exclusive minipet. How do they pay more... they BUY the armbraces.

Third: The only thing you are doing in PvP is making money. Your obviously not going to become number 1 in gvg. Most hate 1v1 with all them cheaters. HA is your only option and people do HA to show off their funny names or make money. PvErs who have played for 4 years know the dumb storyline, and all we do is make money. You dont see us getting exclusive PvE items like the PvP players did before the Z chest came about.

The arrival of the Zchest lowered the prices on the Crystaline sword it did not raise them. The non inscribable were going for 1800 and they went down to 1200-1300. Exclusive Minis raised in price, but if you had the money then you would have bought them. You guys use the XTH just like I do. The collectors and power traders are either going to hold on to them so you're not going to get them anyway, or wait till GW2 and just sell them all. So you can either wait like moriz said or stop QQing cause you not going to get something you want.

go cubs · Apr 04, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

As PvPer, you need cash to operate guild.

If u have all the npcs why would you need cash? And the point of pvp is fighting other players and that....pve is for gold and items....

wetwillyhip · Apr 05, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

i think the greed goes both ways. Why would people who don't have many accounts complain at the value in zkey's dropping... why? because they want to make a profit from the few zkeys they have? so they start an uproar? vs. the players who have 33 accounts like Toffin... who spend their hard earned money on extra accounts... maybe their intentions are hording zkeys for greed ...or maybe something else... but the way I see it, greed goes both ways, nothing will be changed, so get over yourselves. no one is more selfish and demanding than the other..

Martin Alvito · Apr 05, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

This isn't about greed. I can make money in-game whether XTH is there or not. In fact, a known source of inflation makes it very easy to stay ahead of the curve. You just buy the stuff that inflates in price most rapidly and hold it.

It's about the type of game we want to play. I prefer to play a game where nice gear is allocated solely by in-game effort. ANet did their level best to provide that environment for three years and then succumbed to their own greed.

Why shouldn't people be upset? If this RMT system were known from day 1, I'd have played a different game. So would many others. There are plenty of games out there where you can legitimately buy stuff in-game with RL cash. Players that want to engage in RMT should go to those games.

XTH is nothing more than RMT by another name. There are ways to fix that. Seeing that the devs have not done so, I infer that the devs prefer money in hand now to the integrity and customer loyalty that will help them sell their next game. That's just shortsighted.

Now Diabolical · Apr 05, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Xunlai Tournament House had been a nice gimmick for PvP.

Now,Xunlai Tournament House is for those PvE'lers who want Money.
More money than too much money without doing anything.

Don't you hear the screams "I can't find [rawr]!!11"?

Bof · Apr 05, 2009, 07:54 PM // 19:54

The people with 30 plus accounts know what rawr's alternate is. It really wasnt that hard to find.

RMT were here from day one, they just didnt have money yet. They dont go to other games because they cannot make as much money there...duh.

People can buy and hold all the Zkeys they want and the price isnt going to inflation... its going to deflate like it has been.

I do agree that gear should be based on effort, but ANet killed that when they made Ursan. I got nerfed so people switched to perma sins; it got partially nerfed.

XTH who knows what he actual intentions were, but ANet opened up the store to buy character slots, pvp packs, bonus mission pack, and other games. People even used that for RMT, so it has been here just hidden.

PvP might have started for just fighting others, but the ones on Top now are not fighting just to fight. People like [rawr] and [GANK] aren't playing just to fight. They are playing to earn more and more cash for themselves. [GANK] gets the quick recognition at the bottom of the screen, but I guarantee they need more than that to fill their egos.

HawkofStorms · Apr 05, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=4559876

Threads like that are the reason XTH has gone down hill. People who don't do anything in the game, who probably don't even know what a GvG is, have gained some sort of entitlement issues and are DEMANDING that RAWR win.

go cubs · Apr 06, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=4559876

Threads like that are the reason XTH has gone down hill. People who don't do anything in the game, who probably don't even know what a GvG is, have gained some sort of entitlement issues and are DEMANDING that RAWR win.

Agreed....When there is QQ about that then there is something bad lol...

Those noobs are what make it badness

Bof · Apr 06, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Those noobs you are talking about aren't affecting the shit you are wanting to buy. Those kind of people will never ever have the cash to buy the high end items and especially the exclusive minis. Anything else is just a joke to buy and wont break anyones bank that has a decent amount of cash.

They are QQing because they want to buy a Q9 VS or a prot BDS(at the high end).
They dont make it bad cause they dont know how to pick well anyway. Everyone knows rawr ok that is a gimme besides last month when they nerfed rawrspike. Besides that they are as smart as a first time player.

pumpkin pie · Apr 06, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I think XTH should be easier to predict. like anet should arrange so that the most likely to win guilds are always found on the first page of the selection so we don't have to scroll so much to look for them

esthetic · Apr 06, 2009, 10:21 PM // 22:21

On online auction sites you can now buy new copies of factions in bulk staring from 1 for 9.99 to 100 for 799.00.

OMG who is buying 100 copies and why? GW is a lame duck game, meaning no new campaigns and GW2 will be out before you know it.

Well anyways where are these copies coming from? and are they XTH related?

I thought I had too many accounts at 9...100 WTH!!

A11Eur0 · Apr 06, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by esthetic

On online auction sites you can now buy new copies of factions in bulk staring from 1 for 9.99 to 100 for 799.00.

OMG who is buying 100 copies and why? GW is a lame duck game, meaning no new campaigns and GW2 will be out before you know it.

Well anyways where are these copies coming from? and are they XTH related?

I thought I had too many accounts at 9...100 WTH!!

Retailers will buy 100 copies of a game.

go cubs · Apr 07, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I think XTH should be easier to predict. like anet should arrange so that the most likely to win guilds are always found on the first page of the selection so we don't have to scroll so much to look for them

HAHA i laughed at this for a bit....Its true....very sad how easy they make it

Bof · Apr 07, 2009, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Its funny cause the people in GvG dont blow their rank so obviously the best are going to be on the front page (I know he was being sarcastic, but my point is coming). Now if only ANet would do something about the 1v1ers who blow their rank on purpose so only they can pick themselves, and get 3 easy matches to start the mAT. Michman has touched on this in a previous post, and like him I think its BS that they are allowed to "cheat" like this when its obvious match manipulation.

Solution: Only let the top 1000 play.

Special Thanks to all those in 1v1 who do not tank their ranks.

Michman · Apr 07, 2009, 10:36 AM // 10:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=4559876

Threads like that are the reason XTH has gone down hill. People who don't do anything in the game, who probably don't even know what a GvG is, have gained some sort of entitlement issues and are DEMANDING that RAWR win.

We really have enough jealousy, exaggeration and assumptions in this thread already. Do we need to add lying as well? And if your going to lie about what someone posted in another thread at least be smart enough not to post a link. Yes the guy was whining. Yes he's probably a pve player that knows little or nothing about PVP except what someone told him about XTH. But he didn't come into a thread and lie for his own self serving reasons.

esthetic · Apr 07, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Retailers will buy 100 copies of a game.

What retailer you know would buy 100 copies of GW Factions at $799.00 plus shipping and handling?

Im being rhetorical. Its obviously for a HUGE Zkey Factory.

Archress Shayleigh · Apr 07, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Bad. Should go away. I enjoy the z-keys, but it makes the GW economy SH*T! So please, ANET, no XTH for GW2, please! lolz

Bof · Apr 07, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Lol I just laugh at Archress Shayleigh's post.

As Michman and myself have explained, the only items that have risen in value since the arrival of XTH are exclusive mini pets. All other items have gone down in value because of XTH.

Zkeys are based on demand. It has taken 16 months more Zkeys to go down about 1k in price. You cannot sell Zkeys to a trader, so power traders cannot sell all they have to lower the price. The same works the other way you cannot buy them so the price cannot increase dramatically.

The only way that XTH and Zkeys could affect the "economy" is by gold items dropped from the chest. The only way money could go back into the "economy" is by selling the golds you get from the Z chest to the merchant. When you trade Zkeys to other people, exchange for ecto, or buy an item it does not add to the economy.

go cubs · Apr 07, 2009, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Bof

The only way that XTH and Zkeys could affect the "economy" is by gold items dropped from the chest. The only way money could go back into the "economy" is by selling the golds you get from the Z chest to the merchant. When you trade Zkeys to other people, exchange for ecto, or buy an item it does not add to the economy.

The firewater and creme brulee too because u can sell those to merch for 300g/200g respectively.....Also only reason minis rose was because of dedicating....The more they got dedicated...the more unded ones cost....The only reason weapons are dropping is because of people using the keys and getting rare weapons which makes them common..er? lol more common.

Martin Alvito · Apr 08, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Bof

Lol I just laugh at Archress Shayleigh's post.

As Michman and myself have explained, the only items that have risen in value since the arrival of XTH are exclusive mini pets. All other items have gone down in value because of XTH.

Patently false assertion.

Things that come out of the zchest (items, inscriptions) went down in value.

Things that do not come out of the zchest and remained relatively constant in creation rates (gold, dye, runes, ecto) did not move.

Things that can be purchased with zkeys and are not increasing in supply went WAY up. (eg: pets. q8s, q7s, unconditionals)

This fits the definition of "affecting the economy", Bof. /facepalm